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Apple please watch this. - Frore AirJet MacBook Air 

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0:00 - Intro
0:44 - Ridge!
0:59 - MacBook Air disassembly
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5:36 - Controller and Airflow
7:42 - Preparing for AirJets
11:56 - Reassembly
14:30 - Airflow testing
15:07 - Did it work?
19:16 - Seasonic!
20:02 - Outro

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@cristianodettori
@cristianodettori Πριν 3 μήνες
Can't wait to see this presented at Apple Park in 5 years as the iBlow feature
@Megalaoofania
@Megalaoofania Πριν 3 μήνες
this could've been phrased so much better 💀💀
@benedekfodor269
@benedekfodor269 Πριν 3 μήνες
I don't think they will do it, literally nobody would buy the pro
@johndsdevblogs
@johndsdevblogs Πριν 3 μήνες
With subscription 999.99/months
@gettodachoppa669
@gettodachoppa669 Πριν 3 μήνες
iBlow💀
@playerzking
@playerzking Πριν 3 μήνες
@@benedekfodor269 they can just pull an iphone trick and renaming the last gen into non-pro series
@alexkelley8342
@alexkelley8342 Πριν 3 μήνες
One thing they didn’t mention is that if these were integrated from the beginning, the vapor chamber could be designed to move heat directly to the copper pads on the cooling units, unlocking even better thermal performance
@TheDarksideFNothing
@TheDarksideFNothing Πριν 3 μήνες
Yeah, no doubt if designed around using those they could make it much more efficient. I think each unit can remove 5 watts of heat IIRC and it looked like they were only getting 5 watts out of the three combined. I'd guess probably because of inefficient transfer.
@_yuri
@_yuri Πριν 3 μήνες
​@@TheDarksideFNothingbut these chips itself need a lot of juice
@TheDarksideFNothing
@TheDarksideFNothing Πριν 3 μήνες
@@_yuri if you're talking about Apple silicon then no, that's half the point of them. In this video we saw them all only drawing 20W even before they throttled. If you're talking about the cooling devices iirc these are 1.5W each power draw to cool about 5W, but there are other models coming soon that will be significantly more efficient. Someone else said there's one that's expected to be 1.5W for 10.5W of cooling, but I can't speak for those numbers. Plus, this is hacky edition cooling with these chips. If it were designed from the ground up to incorporate them it would certainly be more effective.
@Edinburgh1000
@Edinburgh1000 Πριν 3 μήνες
I hope Apple never does this, the nice thing about the Macbook air is they are completely silent. A lot of people buy them because of that. Studios are using them for recording.
@TheDarksideFNothing
@TheDarksideFNothing Πριν 3 μήνες
@@Edinburgh1000 All they would have to do is give you a setting to turn active cooling off... But at least then you would have the option to have your Air not run totally kneecapped by thermals.
@davidgunther8428
@davidgunther8428 Πριν 3 μήνες
This needs to get added to a gaming phone. Good dust filters are a must for a phone!
@fuyouto
@fuyouto Πριν 2 μήνες
Water resistance left the chat
@PuffyfishRBX
@PuffyfishRBX Πριν 2 μήνες
@@fuyoutoipx2-3 is good enoigh
@EasternAnalogue1289
@EasternAnalogue1289 Πριν 2 μήνες
​@@fuyouto bold of you to assume a gaming phone will ever go near water
@samuelloader8213
@samuelloader8213 Πριν 2 μήνες
​@@EasternAnalogue1289I'd give it less than a day before someone tries gaming in the bath with it
@tuxr4z3r
@tuxr4z3r Πριν 2 μήνες
@@EasternAnalogue1289 the only time i am using my phone for gaming, is when me is shitting or bathing... sooo
@agvulpine
@agvulpine Πριν 3 μήνες
I work in retail. People who use a Ridge Wallet take 70% longer to pay than people with leather wallets. In some cases, they take 10 times as long, always unable to locate their photo ID or their desired pay card in any meaningful way.
@computeraidedworld1148
@computeraidedworld1148 Πριν 3 μήνες
I think reviewing not yet implemented technology is encouraging for the future and really cool. Compared to whatever new phone or ear buds that are out.
@BlueSkyleaf
@BlueSkyleaf Πριν 2 μήνες
I think solid state cooling's pressure makes it important to think about dust/particle distribution more as they can get caught up in spaces previously inaccessible to them. Awesome tech!
@itranscendencei7964
@itranscendencei7964 Πριν 3 μήνες
Solid state cooling is the one thing I've been the most excited for in the PC space for a while now. When it starts making its way into the Handheld PC's like the Steam Deck, I'm going to be so stoked.
@hishnash
@hishnash Πριν 3 μήνες
Cost and power draw is what will limit it from hand held consoles like the steam deck. The cooling potential per W Is not as good as a classical fan and the cost is much much higher.
@bangerxshane2962
@bangerxshane2962 Πριν 3 μήνες
​@@hishnashoh really?
@PurgeTime
@PurgeTime Πριν 3 μήνες
this dude has been stealing my content for years and is getting filthy rich off my hard work
@itranscendencei7964
@itranscendencei7964 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@hishnash Hopefully over time it will become more efficient and less expensive as the tech advances. It's still very new at the moment, so it costing a lot doesn't surprise me nor does the efficiency. Like all new tech, I'm sure it will get better with time.
@TheNuclearBolton
@TheNuclearBolton Πριν 3 μήνες
Passive*
@Respectable_Username
@Respectable_Username Πριν 3 μήνες
I'm so glad y'all are doing a video actually testing out this product in a real-ish world scenario. Have been fascinated by it since you first showed it off at one of the expos!
@ianseiuli
@ianseiuli Πριν 3 μήνες
I love that Linus is going back to his strengths. I love this content
@fridaycaliforniaa236
@fridaycaliforniaa236 Πριν 3 μήνες
I hope the "mishap" from this year has finally made him follow the right route and for good this time
@MrLycan1995
@MrLycan1995 Πριν 2 μήνες
Linus and Alex f*ing around to do some sketchy project makes the best most interesting LTT videos.
@hhidd
@hhidd Πριν 2 μήνες
@@MrLycan1995 agreed. they somehow alternate both of the "fuck it" and "lets not break it" roles, i guess they control each other's chaos. super entertaining.
@steelfox1448
@steelfox1448 Πριν 2 μήνες
agreed
@MaurizioOiziruam
@MaurizioOiziruam Πριν 2 μήνες
You mean breaking stuff?
@kalpanaarora7214
@kalpanaarora7214 Πριν 2 μήνες
Enjoying the tech instead of managing a company that's why we love Linus
@Acerdmen
@Acerdmen Πριν 2 μήνες
Would this cooling system be greatly affected by dust? It seems that those intake filter areas could easily be covered in dust in a few months time
@lechprotean
@lechprotean Πριν μήνα
you could just blow compressed air in reverse every few months...
@Okiranger
@Okiranger Πριν 2 μήνες
Anyone else having quality issues? I'm locked out of quality settings on this video only. Feels like 2009 watching videos on 360p...
@ebon_scar519
@ebon_scar519 Πριν 2 μήνες
Same wtf
@mrpresident7191
@mrpresident7191 Πριν 3 μήνες
I love how Alex talks to us like anyone will ever do this based on this video
@honer723
@honer723 Πριν 3 μήνες
I think he expects everyone tries his ideas😂
@redwidow1358
@redwidow1358 Πριν 3 μήνες
At least one person will be crazy enough to try
@Chriss_Workshop
@Chriss_Workshop Πριν 3 μήνες
But also alex "i dare you to lick it"
@jammiewins
@jammiewins Πριν 3 μήνες
​@@redwidow1358surely you'd just buy a pro at that point?
@Thurgosh_OG
@Thurgosh_OG Πριν 3 μήνες
@@jammiewins Or just not buy Apple products at all.
@prophoenix212
@prophoenix212 Πριν 3 μήνες
That m2 performance out of 20W package is mind blowing
@karnpandharipande
@karnpandharipande Πριν 3 μήνες
I remember watching Frore's presentation during CES this year. Good to see that their products are finally coming out to the mainstream, and hopefully solid state cooling becomes to new norm!
@Antervis
@Antervis Πριν 3 μήνες
I wouldn't exactly call "DYI guide to mutilated macbook" a "mainstream".
@karnpandharipande
@karnpandharipande Πριν 2 μήνες
That wasn't my point. I was merely talking about the release of their products.@@Antervis
@semahj
@semahj Πριν 2 μήνες
@@karnpandharipande They didn't release it though
@karnpandharipande
@karnpandharipande Πριν 2 μήνες
@@semahj ZBOX pico PI430AJ with AirJet?
@kimigets0fps905
@kimigets0fps905 Πριν 3 μήνες
"I don't want to break this plastic piece right here, I don't want to break this." **aggressively bending the plastic** 8:58
@hkad6252
@hkad6252 Πριν 2 μήνες
I think the selling point of the Air is that it does not have an opening that lets the inside get dirty over time. A Closed, fanless PC (not a laptop person) is something I really want.
@ZackCrain
@ZackCrain Πριν 3 μήνες
Would loooove to see these somehow adapted into the Asus Rog Ally because mine gets quite hot but has extra space above the battery area
@Groovewonder2
@Groovewonder2 Πριν 3 μήνες
Y'all should mod a steam deck with these. It already has a design that's dependent on a source of high static pressure. If you could get a vapor chamber wide and thin enough to plonk two of these onto it and then use the freed up depth to channel the exhaust through a heatsink where there already is one, you could probably make an actually compelling product. Hell, you could even skeletonize the grips and block off the rear intake so the high static pressure pulls in air across the hands and keeps them from getting sweaty.
@chiraggupta9719
@chiraggupta9719 Πριν 3 μήνες
I can smell that mod coming up 😂
@lemagreengreen
@lemagreengreen Πριν 3 μήνες
Not possible. Not enough space, Frore don't produce a single unit that would be capable of cooling the APU in a Steam Deck. You can stack them like this but... space constraints. I think Frore are working on models for higher wattages.
@Groovewonder2
@Groovewonder2 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@lemagreengreen how is there not enough room? Those modules are 1/3 the thickness of the fan at most. A wafer thin vapor chamber like what's used here could easily sandwich inbetween a couple modules and still have room for the intake. At worst they have to put the driver circuit in one of the aforementioned skeletonized grips.
@Therysin
@Therysin Πριν 3 μήνες
@@Groovewonder2it can't dissipate the heat within the limits of the space requirements.
@Groovewonder2
@Groovewonder2 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@Therysin that's why I added the thing about keeping the heatsink up at the exhaust and ducting it out through it. Use the air movement it creates to its advantage and reuse the air. Sure, it won't be as effective as room temperature air, but airflow is airflow and it should still aid cooling. It's not like the air coming out of the frore units would be 105C. This is more about replacing the loud fan than the frore units doing all the work on their own.
@BocchiSensei
@BocchiSensei Πριν 3 μήνες
I remember finding out solid state cooling a few months ago on this channel, it was a regret that i bought a laptop recently knowing that solid state cooling would be likely adopt way sooner than i thought, and mostly because of the snapdragon x elite laptop chips.
@alexatkin
@alexatkin Πριν 2 μήνες
I'm not convinced it will. They even openly state they have air filters, what happens when they clog up which is going to happen a whole lot quicker than a fan?
@georgeindestructible
@georgeindestructible Πριν 3 μήνες
3:34 we know these CPUs don't take that much power but there is absolutely no way they wont saturate that one sooner or later.
@vivekvs1992
@vivekvs1992 Πριν 3 μήνες
Frankly I'd be more excited to see this in regular laptops too.. Especially like a replacement of that third fan in the rog strix scar 2023 or in one of the x15 Alienware.. Or an ally
@dastard12
@dastard12 Πριν 2 μήνες
So glad to see this technology continue to get traction, truly the dopest tech for small electronics in development
@Sethbacca
@Sethbacca Πριν 2 μήνες
So happy to see this stuff finally getting demoed.
@Avastar_pilot
@Avastar_pilot Πριν 3 μήνες
Its amazing that this "to good to be true technology" is actually Freaking awesome and starting to get out of the lab.
@blackomegax
@blackomegax Πριν 3 μήνες
It exists. It works. But it's like $100 per module and each one can only handle 5 watts worth of heat ejection. $300 to cool a 15W CPU isn't practical outside of the "apple ripoff" profit margin class laptops like macbooks, x1 carbons, etc.
@twistidclowns
@twistidclowns Πριν 3 μήνες
@@blackomegax Hopefully they just need to scale for the price to drop.
@zwenkwiel816
@zwenkwiel816 Πριν 3 μήνες
​​@@blackomegaxits a novel tech though, still pretty niche. If they scaled up production they could become a lot cheaper. Probably room to make them more efficient as well
@PurgeTime
@PurgeTime Πριν 3 μήνες
this dude has been stealing my content for years and is getting filthy rich off my hard work
@efad3215
@efad3215 Πριν 3 μήνες
​@@PurgeTimeBull, your videos are nothing like ltt's
@stephensanders1876
@stephensanders1876 Πριν 3 μήνες
I'm curious to see if they would have been able to add some vertical spacers in the chassis so they can fit the Frore jets on top of the chip, and then perhaps used a 3D printed or CNC'd lip to fill in the extra space between the edge and base of the device, so that everything still works in the damn device :')
@blackwolf-74
@blackwolf-74 Πριν 3 μήνες
I remember seeing this thing back at CES or whatever when you made a video on it. Thought it was super cool and had good potential for gaming laptops and stuff. Wonder if the company is publicly traded
@davidgoodnow269
@davidgoodnow269 Πριν 2 μήνες
Us techie types need to create our own venture capital fund so that we can get in on things like this, before I.P.O.!
@leviharris413
@leviharris413 Πριν 2 μήνες
Why cant i change video quality?
@pauljones9150
@pauljones9150 Πριν 2 μήνες
Original, well thought out video that is unique and thought provoking. 🎉🎉🎉 Well done Linus
@sidewinder15599
@sidewinder15599 Πριν 2 μήνες
I'd love to see this compared with using one of those aluminum laptop stand wedges with case fans attached to it to see the difference.
@DesmoPilot2
@DesmoPilot2 Πριν 3 μήνες
That the throttled machine only lost ~400 points over the modified one honestly leaves me more impressed with its passively cooled design. Even while throttling under a torture test it was still able to provide close to its normal power envelope, impressive.
@tiduszk
@tiduszk Πριν 3 μήνες
Yeah, it's a neat concept, but that's still ~93% of its peak performance. Once Linus said he could hear it I knew Apple will never do this. Being silent is part of the MacBook Air brand, and especially for only a 7% loss it's just not worth it.
@mapwheel00
@mapwheel00 Πριν 3 μήνες
It's a 5% difference in their torture test, to be specific (actively vs. passively cooled). I can see why they just cost-cut it out of there entirely when there is little to be gained in performance or cooling and a lot to be gained in acoustics. 100% correct design decision by Apple for their entry level laptop. Everyone is chasing those tiny process nodes for a reason.
@HowlingMoai
@HowlingMoai Πριν 3 μήνες
A fanless ultrabook that is decently powerful is exactly why I chose the MacBook Air M1 when it came out over any windows laptop. There’s just no competition yet that actually competes with it on all fronts. Sure, you can find a laptop that’s faster, bigger battery, quieter, and more durable. However, I haven’t found a laptop that beats it at all of these for a reasonable price.
@DesmoPilot2
@DesmoPilot2 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@tiduszk For real. Conclusion kinda makes the video title look dumb as torture test results confirm Apple was 100% right to go passive for this model.
@PurgeTime
@PurgeTime Πριν 3 μήνες
this dude has been stealing my content for years and is getting filthy rich off my hard work
@tipoomaster
@tipoomaster Πριν 3 μήνες
People have made gains and even bridged much of the gap between an M2 Macbook Air and an M2 Macbook Pro just by using a thermal sheet, bridging the tiny heat block to the bottom chassis, exchanging a warmer bottom for using it as extra heatsink. That had significant results for less throttling. It looks like they added a fair amount of copper heatsink there. I'm not doubting that the airflow adds to the performance, but an important comparison would have also been passive copper heatsinks with no airjet too. That said, I hope Apple is looking closely at these and integrates them if they can improve their products, but I don't want the Air to move air, I want it for the Pro for as much better and smaller than fans it can be.
@Metamine0
@Metamine0 Πριν 3 μήνες
Yeah, the Air just really needs a thermal sheet. This airjet stuff could go a long way to making it possible for the MacBook Pros to become thinner and lighter, or could let Apple stuff even more performance out of their chips
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz Πριν 3 μήνες
Apple is for sure not looking to make their lower end products better, as that would cannibalise their higher end products.
@techinrl9869
@techinrl9869 Πριν 3 μήνες
Can’t do that. There is a legal limit for how hot the bottom can be. MaxTech did just what you suggested and the bottom became hotter than the law would have permitted.
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz Πριν 3 μήνες
@@techinrl9869 There actually isn't a legal limit, but there are several recommendations that converge on not exceeding 48°C, and there are high temperatures which require a warning label or can come with workspace restrictions. That being said if you were Apple and intended to optimise performance while observing this 48°C threshold, you would still install thermal pads board to case, and then adjust the board throttle threshold down until you meet this spec. Because evicting heat is always better than not evicting heat.
@techinrl9869
@techinrl9869 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@AlexBarbu The easiest handicap on the Air is having a base M-series chip while the Pros get better SoC’s like the Pro and Max chips. People buy the base M3 MBP because they want the nice screen and ports, not because it has a fan. Apple doesn't have to limit thermals in order to differentiate the products. Apple sees having no fan as a competitive advantage because they put a high emphasis on quiet computing, low power usage and therefore long battery life, and light weight. That’s why people buy the Air more than any other Mac.
@FuzzX05
@FuzzX05 Πριν 3 μήνες
We use those solid state coolers.. Really neat tech, but still quite pricy until volume cranks up
@ColorblindMonk
@ColorblindMonk Πριν 3 μήνες
It's pretty neat tech, interested in seeing where it goes. Though the utility of solid state cooling for general consumer products is probably a couple hardware generations away.
@robertt9342
@robertt9342 Πριν 3 μήνες
Seems like just a better passive heat sink might be sufficient
@BigPeter93
@BigPeter93 Πριν 3 μήνες
This was an amazing video. A great insight to the potential future of electronic thermal management.
@EximiusDux
@EximiusDux Πριν 3 μήνες
Linus is blessing the machine spirit at 14:25.
@TAMAMO-VIRUS
@TAMAMO-VIRUS Πριν 3 μήνες
Linus is a Tech Priest
@abdulamar9907
@abdulamar9907 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@seraphiszurvan AND PASS THE SACRED UNGUENTS!
@2a4c12
@2a4c12 Πριν 2 μήνες
Love the Edison motors cap. Love that channel.
@scapulartech9347
@scapulartech9347 Πριν 2 μήνες
yes, the 6 speaker sound system is only available on the 15 inch MacBook Air. High fidelity sound system comes on the pros, this includes a higher wattage amp and tweeters that fire out of the grills on the laptop and fire the woofers out of the fan intakes on the bottom
@774used
@774used Πριν 3 μήνες
I think there is a flaw in the experiment. You did more than just add 3 piezo fans. You also added a better heatsink. I think you should have included a 4th laptop in the test, one that had the same exact mods (including the gap) but without the piezo fans. If there is a difference between the two modded laptops, it would better prove that the piezo fans are making a difference.
@Alexander-ju8gp
@Alexander-ju8gp Πριν 3 μήνες
Thanks for the PSU advertising, I've bought recently one of this brand's PSU for the PC we were assembling with my friend. I didn't check a lot and chose the first available by power and efficiency numbers. Now I am sure that it was a good choice because it used to be like a no-name brand for me.
@Work_Data_PV
@Work_Data_PV Πριν 2 μήνες
loved the bit with the linus doing voodoo smoke around the laptop xD
@murroybeverley
@murroybeverley Πριν 3 μήνες
Imagine Apple bringing back the 12” MacBook with that technology inside. Would be perfect
@bella_ciao4608
@bella_ciao4608 Πριν 3 μήνες
wish theyd bring it back as a 500 dollar chromebook competitor with a cut down chip or iphone chip or something
@LambdaMiscellaneous
@LambdaMiscellaneous Πριν 3 μήνες
@@bella_ciao4608They’re planning something similar, but it might have to be around 14 inches.
@siinxkj
@siinxkj Πριν 3 μήνες
@@bella_ciao4608 the iphone soc is still pretty capable, I doubt that it will be 500 because macos is part of the price of the device, unlike windows, you get free software upgrades over many years of the mac
@mr.mr.8164
@mr.mr.8164 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@bella_ciao4608 it sucks because they can. but they dont listen to the community. they just wanna keep pushing out unrepairable junk that costs 3/4 the price of the device to fix when you take it to them.
@ryanhamstra49
@ryanhamstra49 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@bella_ciao4608that would be cool… or even a 10” or 11” with an A15 chip? Think of the battery life….. my M1 gets over 12 hours of light use, imagine what the A15 with a MacBook size battery could do for things like web searching and word processing
@sydneyclaxton9418
@sydneyclaxton9418 Πριν 3 μήνες
Your love of these fans has truly transfered over the 4 or so videos you've done with them
@hongluzhang7771
@hongluzhang7771 Πριν 3 μήνες
i am already imagining cooling something like ultra 5 which packs real power in really slim bodies like macbook 2015 or hp 2016 that kind of elegant designs.
@rallias1
@rallias1 Πριν 3 μήνες
Imagine if you did heat pipes like one of those insane looking air coolers, but instead of aluminum fins cooled by an external fan, you had aluminum fins cooled by direct contact with these things.
@EyesOfByes
@EyesOfByes Πριν 29 ημέρες
Optane and Frore in Macbook = almost perfect
@nickc9070
@nickc9070 Πριν 2 μήνες
Great video. I like seeing how new tech could be used to improve things
@HAL_NOVEMILA
@HAL_NOVEMILA Πριν 3 μήνες
14:39 "No moving parts guys!" ...Meanwhile the manufacturer: "Inside the AirJet are tiny membranes that vibrate at an ultrasonic frequency"
@Demoralized88
@Demoralized88 Πριν 4 ημέρες
It's literally the exact same as a Speaker or Diaphragm pump, and absolutely has moving parts. Especially with Piezo and ultrasonic frequencies, it's a terribly inefficient way to move air but the design and operation is literally identical to a Tweeter or similar. Just more fake tech.
@sneilert
@sneilert Πριν 3 μήνες
I am missing some battery statistics for this. I wonder how much more battery this drains, even though it's obviously not optimized or production-ready, so to speak. Battery life plays a significant role in choosing between an Air and a Pro model.
@Pircla
@Pircla Πριν 2 μήνες
Can’t wait to see this technology improve and go on laptops ! Mine make so much noise !
@broccoloodle
@broccoloodle Πριν 3 μήνες
This is what we need from a tech channel. Great job LTT team
@broccoloodle
@broccoloodle Πριν 2 μήνες
@@DK.dk11 agree, but I believe many viewers do not seek originality. for originality mattets, they need to provide detailed procedure, report and the work needs to be peer-reviewed on top journals/conferences
@kcgunesq
@kcgunesq Πριν 2 μήνες
I want to see Alex and Linus try to build an NH-D15 sized cooler from these devices. Like 30-50 of them just stacked on top of each other in several columns. Ridiculous? Sure. Would we all watch that? You bet.
@justinmilam545
@justinmilam545 Πριν 3 μήνες
I remember seeing these before your last video. I have been waiting for these to be used in a reasonably priced high end laptop.
@alistairblaire6001
@alistairblaire6001 Πριν 3 μήνες
This would be great tech for the tablet form factor. I had a Surface Pro with an i5 but it was sealed and fanless. It throttled if you even looked at it funny. Something like this would be great to give the CPU just enough air to breathe a little.
@lucasrem
@lucasrem Πριν 3 μήνες
alistairblaire6001 Meant that TV table thing, or Windows Phone, i5 in it ? Arc too ? plays games linus ?
@Lordpickleboy
@Lordpickleboy Πριν 3 μήνες
fully agree with you this kind of cooling may play a huge role in things outside of laptops but in devices like handhelds to help slim them or cellphones that become molten lava if you even think about opening a game to tablets and something im not sure many have thought about but even in some of these chargers the warp charges can get very very hot and some kind of better more passive kind of cooling in the future may be in the cards to make everything we use day to day more efficient and even slimmer and more portable
@fsh7583
@fsh7583 Πριν 3 μήνες
You could not be more right, I had 2 older surface 4 that would get a screen flicker due to the heat from using Word… Microsoft only offered half price replacements without a guarantee it wouldn’t happen again lmao
@PurgeTime
@PurgeTime Πριν 3 μήνες
this dude has been stealing my content for years and is getting filthy rich off my hard work
@superluig164
@superluig164 Πριν 3 μήνες
I'm pretty sure the Surface Pro is not, in fact, fanless. Might have been one of the other Surface tablets?
@StephenOwen
@StephenOwen Πριν 2 μήνες
Have you thought about reviewing power supplies? See which ones actually can deliver the power they claim? Feels like it could be a very deep video. I'd also like to see how the power supplies from temu and wish work
@MisterAnderson91
@MisterAnderson91 Πριν 3 μήνες
Seems to me that this is more likely to replace the fans in a macbook pro than add them back to a macbook air.
@retribution7210
@retribution7210 Πριν 2 μήνες
Instead of sacrificing keyboard,magsafe why not get rid of bottom cover,3d print new one with adjustments you need ,slap it on to macbook and have cooling and all the features as well
@user-ef4ei9cj9t
@user-ef4ei9cj9t Πριν 2 μήνες
There’s gotta be a magnetic style external heat sink that attaches to the bottom cover and makes contact right around where the M2 processor is located to help draw heat away from it.
@haloharry97
@haloharry97 Πριν 2 μήνες
I love to see DIY cooling for retro consoles, that use small winy fans.
@emmamitchell1582
@emmamitchell1582 Πριν 3 μήνες
I would have liked to see you talk about the power consumption of the cooling, especially in relation to the normal power consumption of the MacBook. You could also calculate the impact on battery life using the total Wh in the battery.
@Spentalei
@Spentalei Πριν 3 μήνες
Agreed. According to their specification it will consume 1.75W. If it's blasting at full power that's an additional 5W of power consumption (considering there are 3). That is not a small number whatsoever.
@emmamitchell1582
@emmamitchell1582 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@Spentalei that is more than the entire laptop including screen at idle. So runtime cut in half. Of course you don't need cooling at idle. However, this will only add little performance to low power devices as was proven on the video. And for high performance device it doesn't provide enough cooling. I'm not sure where this product will be useful. But I'm excited to see the future!
@stonep11
@stonep11 Πριν 3 μήνες
@@SpentaleiI get that, but if you are hitting your laptop hard enough and long enough to throttle, you’ll probably want to be on wall power anyway.
@Spentalei
@Spentalei Πριν 3 μήνες
@@stonep11 What? No? Macbooks are literally designed to work for extensive periods from the wall even when going full blast. Not that full blast is particularly high here, but I'd consider it an identifying feature of a Macbook. Strongly disagree with you here.
@scarletspidernz
@scarletspidernz Πριν 3 μήνες
They could also build it into the power program where if the cpu/gpu is going over 60%+ (doing a intensive task) then it switches on, like modern gpus and psu's have a 0rpm mode, that would then mean most of the time the battery usage will be the same as it is currently in macbooks but kicks in when doing intensive workloads
@xryancat
@xryancat Πριν 3 μήνες
How much of the difference is because you cut a larger air hole and made the internal chassis larger? If you do the experiment with a stock cooler modified with a larger hole and thinner back panel to make a larger chassis, would that make a difference? We also never got to hear the sound difference and pitch profile.
@ThisRandomGuyYouDidntNotice
@ThisRandomGuyYouDidntNotice Πριν 3 μήνες
14:26 really hoped you'd pull out one of the new mini sabres, blowtorch is also fine though xD
@AziziTechnologies
@AziziTechnologies Πριν μήνα
love with Linus Tech Tips
@pranit9668
@pranit9668 Πριν 3 μήνες
9:50 Linus, I believe Kapton tape was used for electrical isolation, but it is also a bad conductor of heat. Kapton was originally developed for aerospace applications to shield against high temperatures
@NANA-yn3fp
@NANA-yn3fp Πριν 3 μήνες
8:05 that microfiber tshirt would work even better 🤔👀🐋
@haukewalden2840
@haukewalden2840 Πριν 3 μήνες
It would have been nice if you also made a comparison of the noise emmision between the two MBPro and the modified version - I suppose it should be way quieter, but - what noise level das the MBP reach? Oh, and if this really works - maybe give Framework a call?! ;-)
@alexatkin
@alexatkin Πριν 2 μήνες
Using stock settings they're quiet, but what he missed here is you can modify the fan control to where it becomes loud but cools a whole lot better than default. That may also widen the performance gap.
@Greg1096
@Greg1096 Πριν 3 μήνες
I love that alex is wearing an Edison motors hat!! Those guys are awesome!
@clubrulers
@clubrulers Πριν 3 μήνες
I'd like to see what is the actual impact on battery consumption on a modified macbook M2 vs a non modified one.
@vmafarah9473
@vmafarah9473 Πριν 3 μήνες
Solid state cooling is the one thing I've been the most excited to be seen in Phones and Hand helds like steamdeck. AMD's GPU in aSAMSUNG phone with raytracing and Upscaling would be a game changer .
@doctahp123
@doctahp123 Πριν 3 μήνες
This is something that would be awesome for handheld consoles! Imagine this on the steam deck or next gen switch!
@benjaminlegros611
@benjaminlegros611 Πριν 2 μήνες
Look at how straight that Linus.
@Triro
@Triro Πριν 3 μήνες
These little air pushers are so cool. They are efficient, move lots of air, in a tiny space.
@utkarsh1874
@utkarsh1874 Πριν 3 μήνες
"efficient" lmao
@zwenkwiel816
@zwenkwiel816 Πριν 3 μήνες
​​@@utkarsh1874for the size. Definitely. A fan this tiny would be totally useless. Not sure about power though.
@PurgeTime
@PurgeTime Πριν 3 μήνες
this dude has been stealing my content for years and is getting filthy rich off my hard work
@SirPoppy
@SirPoppy Πριν 3 μήνες
​@@PurgeTimebro joined 5 months ago
@Scnottaken
@Scnottaken Πριν 3 μήνες
​@@SirPoppyjust report it
@travelingapes
@travelingapes Πριν 3 μήνες
I would have CNC'd a slightly thick backplate for the mac air to get a more effective airflow
@stickybeak3172
@stickybeak3172 Πριν 2 μήνες
This heat sinc mod is the video I've always been curious to see.. thanks so much . How much and how hard to get the copper heat sinc made?
@PilotSteak
@PilotSteak Πριν 3 μήνες
I just LOVE the clear @EdisonMotors hat being featured throughout the video! LOVE it!!!
@user-el1fb5cp3p
@user-el1fb5cp3p Πριν 2 μήνες
We must never forget that it is through our actions, words, and thoughts that we have a choice.
@mr.libluckiestinfinitebene2589
@mr.libluckiestinfinitebene2589 Πριν 2 μήνες
Why not redesign to make the MacBook's metal using cnc machine?
@andyvitz
@andyvitz Πριν 3 μήνες
I don't see why you couldn't have added those another way just by making a new bottom cover for a for the computer and adding them in there so it just makes a little tiny bit thicker like you pointed out
@user-mx8fu1eb5w
@user-mx8fu1eb5w Πριν 2 μήνες
If you are going to achieve excellence in big things, you develop the habit in little matters. Excellence is not an exception, it is a prevailing attitude.
@WarriorsPhoto
@WarriorsPhoto Πριν 3 μήνες
Apple will be making this available for future PRO models. Thanks Linus.
@imNotMeWhenimHungry
@imNotMeWhenimHungry Πριν 3 μήνες
Just 3d print a thicker border frame around the perimeter to add more internal space and then screw the back plate back on
@MrBenedikt122
@MrBenedikt122 Πριν 2 μήνες
Implement a small finned heatsink where air can pass through and it will perfrom much better! For small laptops this would be game changing.
@TheBrokenEclipse
@TheBrokenEclipse Πριν 3 μήνες
Man this tech is so cool, I really hope it gets into the next wave of laptops
@GhostReaper2043
@GhostReaper2043 Πριν 3 μήνες
dont hold your breath i highly doubt it
@happybuggy1582
@happybuggy1582 Πριν 3 μήνες
Doubt.
@HehehexDD
@HehehexDD Πριν 3 μήνες
not going to happen anytime soon. the issue is fan companies are monopolizing the air cooling sector. they'd all go outta business if they let this tech into laptops/pcs. its going to take some time.
@cdanisor
@cdanisor Πριν 3 μήνες
did you see the power cable it is pulling 45W … it won’t be useful any time soon
@HehehexDD
@HehehexDD Πριν 2 μήνες
@@Bramble20322 Did you comment before you watched the video? 15f cooler than regular fans AND kept the laptop from throttling; improving CPU performance by 26%. Keep in mind there is so much more room for improvement since the case wasn't designed for airjets to begin with. Yes, it does consume more power but that's to be expected if you want a cooler/ more efficient laptop. Yes, it does cost more but that's because its still in its beginning stages. If this were to be mass produced then it'd be significantly cheaper. Besides, people pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars for a slight performance increase. This will be no different.
@MassimoCerreto
@MassimoCerreto Πριν 3 μήνες
Ever since I first saw this technology, I've thought to myself that it looks like it was made for Apple. Funny that they haven't already bought the company to secure the patents exclusively. When you see how much gain they've already achieved with the fiddly solution, you can only imagine how well it would work if it were incorporated into the design of the device from the start.
@tlefevre2918
@tlefevre2918 Πριν 2 μήνες
I hope apple dont buy them cuz it could be game changer for the whole industry
@diegomartinez7180
@diegomartinez7180 Πριν 3 μήνες
Just as a "conceptual idea"... how about the people who invented this mod create a full and compatible aluminium base with the required extra width and the corresponding exhausts, and a connector that can actually piggyback the battery port of the macbook? I'd probably buy the whole thing! (and I bet I'm not alone).
@bagotaitamas
@bagotaitamas Πριν 3 μήνες
It wouldn't turn on because you cut the touchid flex. That has the power button on the underside of it.
@medivhh
@medivhh Πριν 3 μήνες
I would like to know what can be done years after use for cleaning? Theres a filter but how long does it last?
@cpt-lio.
@cpt-lio. Πριν 3 μήνες
12:22 I really like how Linus changed races there
@Evangelion543
@Evangelion543 Πριν 3 μήνες
The Frore jet cooler is an amazing innovation, especially laptops alike.
@BurntFaceMan
@BurntFaceMan Πριν 3 μήνες
Have been waiting for this video since Computex! I actually only recently commented on a LTT video asking where the Peizo fan content was haha
@MarcosBacon89
@MarcosBacon89 Πριν 3 μήνες
Man I was in need of a silicon macbook air for so long, been saving some money. Watching Linus destroy this one was... well, still worth it.
@bigun89
@bigun89 Πριν 3 μήνες
13:51 - Small correction on the graphic, 4 hundredths of a millimeter isn't 0.4mm, it's 0.04mm. That said, 400 microns is 4 TENTHS of a millimeter. So they misspoke, the graphic is actually correct.
@stevenknox9687
@stevenknox9687 Πριν 2 μήνες
My question, if you want good performance why don't you just Machine out the spot over the processor install one of these directly on the processor and laminate on some sort of rubberized foot that covers the entire back which will give you a little bit more of an ergonomic feel because it will tip the macbook up on the back and give you good ventilation for the intake and access to the filter to clean it without taking the unit apart. Another option is make a secondary base for this machine that adds the extra space necessary to install the parts without compromising on machine functionality. Making it a slight amount thicker is no big deal. It's already thin as hell give it a little bit more girth.
@paulbrooks4395
@paulbrooks4395 Πριν 3 μήνες
Mmm, not worth the battery time loss to run the coolers. Airs are target light and burst workloads, not production work. I would trade that small performance difference for battery usage in an Air.
@FabiVoltair
@FabiVoltair Πριν 3 μήνες
the differenc ecould have been larger if you would have stressed the GPU as well. I know this from my M2, but generally, this is why many are still fine with its capabilities... 5% reduction in performance despite passive cooling is just impressive.
@jessechristman1471
@jessechristman1471 Πριν 2 μήνες
Im a bit disappointed they didnt test before and after on the same MB Air. Would remove any possible variances between different systems
@mariovidmar7
@mariovidmar7 Πριν 2 μήνες
It is possible to improve the cooling system of a Mac by incorporating air jets with a heat sink vapor chamber, graphene sheet mesh, and liquid metal instead of using a lid with a thermal compound. These air jets would run all the way from one edge to the other and could be connected to the battery with a ribbon cable and a controller on the Mac's system-on-chip and it wouldn't need to change ting to much .
@edmastered
@edmastered Πριν 2 μήνες
Can you also use a CNC machine to create a new backplate that adds around 500 microns of space in order to maintain the functionality?
@drjmengele
@drjmengele Πριν 3 μήνες
isnt better add 0.1 or 0.2mm frame to the border of the cover ? so the keyboard and etc you removed could be still inside?
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